Comments on: We Need More Unpaid Leaders http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/ Volunteer leadership, management, and recruiting for church ministries and non-profits Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:46:07 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Larry Baxter http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-4855 Larry Baxter Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:06:19 +0000 http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/#comment-4855 Thanks James! Thanks James!

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By: James Higginbotham http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-4854 James Higginbotham Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:53:41 +0000 http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/#comment-4854 Larry, I think the answer to both of your issues is becoming a people-focused church. If your church is more focused on getting things done than ministering to the needs of those in your church, then you only end up burning people out. I agree with you - people won't give more time to be trained if their lives don't reflect the love of Christ. So, yes - you want to focus on people's needs first and the tasks will come out of it. Training should be simple and straight forward using the "I do, you watch. You do, I watch. You do. You do, someone else watches" methodology. Putting it all together, your volunteers need to know that they are cared for first, that you respect their time and don't waste their time on things they don't need, and finally that they are making a worthwhile contribution of their time and talent to help their local church and God's kingdom. FYI, my Handle With Care ebook covers much of this, from focusing leaders on becoming people-centered, to how to train volunteers, to recruiting new volunteers. I've used it in a small group setting to allow leaders to learn and discuss how they can grow their team and their church more effectively. You can find it here: http://www.volunteercentered.com/ebooks/handle-with-care-second-edition/ Contact me directly using the 'contact' link at the top of the website if your church won't cover the cost and I'll help you out. I want to be sure that you have the book available to you in some way, as I think it may help answer some of these questions about church and team processes. Thanks for your openness and questions, and for your kind works of encouragement! James Larry,

I think the answer to both of your issues is becoming a people-focused church. If your church is more focused on getting things done than ministering to the needs of those in your church, then you only end up burning people out.

I agree with you – people won’t give more time to be trained if their lives don’t reflect the love of Christ. So, yes – you want to focus on people’s needs first and the tasks will come out of it. Training should be simple and straight forward using the “I do, you watch. You do, I watch. You do. You do, someone else watches” methodology.

Putting it all together, your volunteers need to know that they are cared for first, that you respect their time and don’t waste their time on things they don’t need, and finally that they are making a worthwhile contribution of their time and talent to help their local church and God’s kingdom.

FYI, my Handle With Care ebook covers much of this, from focusing leaders on becoming people-centered, to how to train volunteers, to recruiting new volunteers. I’ve used it in a small group setting to allow leaders to learn and discuss how they can grow their team and their church more effectively. You can find it here: http://www.volunteercentered.com/ebooks/handle-with-care-second-edition/

Contact me directly using the ‘contact’ link at the top of the website if your church won’t cover the cost and I’ll help you out. I want to be sure that you have the book available to you in some way, as I think it may help answer some of these questions about church and team processes.

Thanks for your openness and questions, and for your kind works of encouragement!

James

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By: Larry Baxter http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-4853 Larry Baxter Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:49:16 +0000 http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/#comment-4853 James, thanks for responding. I appreciate your writing style, it's very clear and concise. The answers were quite good, and helpful... from a technical perspective. What I'm wrestling with is a problem we're facing, a strategic question, and a process question. They're all related so let me see if I can make them more clear. The 'problem' is that people are getting increasingly busy and seem far less interested in training. Trying to gather people for a meeting for say usher training or on how to teach our 301 class better is hard. Perhaps it gets back to better vision-casting and igniting passion, but even among people excited about ministry, giving up an afternoon or night away from family is seen as a big burden. So the question this problem raises is - how do we effectively train our people for their ministry roles? The related strategic/purpose question: Is this even the right question to ask?! Is a ministry leader's goal in developing leaders to train people <i>for service in an in-church ministry role</i>, or is it to better understand what they feel they need to <i>serve people in whatever realm they find themselves placed</i> by helping them more with felt needs. We say "You need to... [learn to be a better greeter]" and they think "I need to be a dad who doesn't yell at his kids" or "I need to learn how to work with difficulty people" or "I'm working two jobs and you want <b>more</b> time from me? Give me a break, I need to learn how to find a job!" If leadership is influence, how can we help people be a stronger influence for Christ where they are planted? Are we developing people for the sake of getting things done in ministry, or are we developing them as people and trust that as we do more effective ministry will occur? Along with these is a 'process' question that is based on the above, plus how adults learn. They're far more hands-on and in response to need-to-know problems they're currently facing, rather than what most 'training' does - present a list of potential problems you've never seen but might someday. Do we need to shift away from centralized training and have more mentoring, coaching, web-based resources, and an approach where the people choose to get the help in areas they feel they need? I hope these questions make sense :) - Thanks, Larry James, thanks for responding. I appreciate your writing style, it’s very clear and concise. The answers were quite good, and helpful… from a technical perspective. What I’m wrestling with is a problem we’re facing, a strategic question, and a process question. They’re all related so let me see if I can make them more clear.

The ‘problem’ is that people are getting increasingly busy and seem far less interested in training. Trying to gather people for a meeting for say usher training or on how to teach our 301 class better is hard. Perhaps it gets back to better vision-casting and igniting passion, but even among people excited about ministry, giving up an afternoon or night away from family is seen as a big burden. So the question this problem raises is – how do we effectively train our people for their ministry roles?

The related strategic/purpose question: Is this even the right question to ask?! Is a ministry leader’s goal in developing leaders to train people for service in an in-church ministry role, or is it to better understand what they feel they need to serve people in whatever realm they find themselves placed by helping them more with felt needs. We say “You need to… [learn to be a better greeter]” and they think “I need to be a dad who doesn’t yell at his kids” or “I need to learn how to work with difficulty people” or “I’m working two jobs and you want more time from me? Give me a break, I need to learn how to find a job!” If leadership is influence, how can we help people be a stronger influence for Christ where they are planted? Are we developing people for the sake of getting things done in ministry, or are we developing them as people and trust that as we do more effective ministry will occur?

Along with these is a ‘process’ question that is based on the above, plus how adults learn. They’re far more hands-on and in response to need-to-know problems they’re currently facing, rather than what most ‘training’ does – present a list of potential problems you’ve never seen but might someday. Do we need to shift away from centralized training and have more mentoring, coaching, web-based resources, and an approach where the people choose to get the help in areas they feel they need?

I hope these questions make sense :) – Thanks, Larry

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By: James Higginbotham http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-4852 James Higginbotham Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:11:24 +0000 http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/#comment-4852 Larry, Thanks for your comment - you raise some good questions! I'll try to address them here for now, but will try to write about these in greater detail in the near future. For a church to build in more unpaid leaders, it must make a few key changes: 1) build into its culture the ability to break large tasks/projects into smaller bite-sized tasks that can be accomplished by volunteers rather than full-time staff, 2) make these smaller tasks both easily findable and doable by busy people that work part-time or full-time at home or job site, and 3) teach and reward this process to staff and unpaid leaders, with the goal of depending less on the staff and more on the volunteer base to get things done. The primary purpose of leadership is to define the purpose, set a unified direction, and ignite passion. This may be at the macro-level (your local church), the mid-level (youth, children's ministry, worship service, etc), or the micro-level (building maint/cleaning, greeting, ushering, etc). Throughout all of this, it must be people-centered, which means it should be a mixture of reaching inward (discipleship), outward (community), and upward (worship). This requires training at all levels, as you pointed out. This training is likely a mixture of generalized discipleship (101, 201, 301, 401 classes to grow their personal walk with Christ) and specialized training (small group leadership, service team leadership, becoming a leader-of-leaders, etc). Is this something along the direction you want to see covered in the future? Larry,

Thanks for your comment – you raise some good questions! I’ll try to address them here for now, but will try to write about these in greater detail in the near future.

For a church to build in more unpaid leaders, it must make a few key changes: 1) build into its culture the ability to break large tasks/projects into smaller bite-sized tasks that can be accomplished by volunteers rather than full-time staff, 2) make these smaller tasks both easily findable and doable by busy people that work part-time or full-time at home or job site, and 3) teach and reward this process to staff and unpaid leaders, with the goal of depending less on the staff and more on the volunteer base to get things done.

The primary purpose of leadership is to define the purpose, set a unified direction, and ignite passion. This may be at the macro-level (your local church), the mid-level (youth, children’s ministry, worship service, etc), or the micro-level (building maint/cleaning, greeting, ushering, etc).

Throughout all of this, it must be people-centered, which means it should be a mixture of reaching inward (discipleship), outward (community), and upward (worship). This requires training at all levels, as you pointed out.

This training is likely a mixture of generalized discipleship (101, 201, 301, 401 classes to grow their personal walk with Christ) and specialized training (small group leadership, service team leadership, becoming a leader-of-leaders, etc).

Is this something along the direction you want to see covered in the future?

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By: Larry Baxter http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-4851 Larry Baxter Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:52:45 +0000 http://www.volunteercentered.com/2009/08/17/we-need-more-unpaid-leaders/#comment-4851 I'm with you on this post, James! Two things I would love to see you cover in posts, one directly related to this one and one tangentially related. First, if a church agrees with that need, what are the key changes in culture / attitude / development process to encourage those types of unpaid leaders? Related - is the primary purpose of leadership development in the church to strengthen the body and help the church be more effective in its God-given purpose, or is it to develop people to have more influence in their whole life - home, work, and ministry. Perhaps its a "both-and" thing but it seems a leadership development process would look different depending on which took priority. In one case you might offer training for ministry leaders and small group leaders to play their role more effectively, while in the other case you might offer totally generalized classes/resources open to anyone (but that would be of interest to most leaders). Would love to hear your thoughts on that :) - Larry I’m with you on this post, James! Two things I would love to see you cover in posts, one directly related to this one and one tangentially related.

First, if a church agrees with that need, what are the key changes in culture / attitude / development process to encourage those types of unpaid leaders?

Related – is the primary purpose of leadership development in the church to strengthen the body and help the church be more effective in its God-given purpose, or is it to develop people to have more influence in their whole life – home, work, and ministry. Perhaps its a “both-and” thing but it seems a leadership development process would look different depending on which took priority. In one case you might offer training for ministry leaders and small group leaders to play their role more effectively, while in the other case you might offer totally generalized classes/resources open to anyone (but that would be of interest to most leaders). Would love to hear your thoughts on that :) – Larry

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